, that's bad, obviously, but it doesn't bother me as much as the old things, for instance, mary was elected counsel six years in a row even though under the roman constitution, it was term limited to one year. and people kept voting for him. they knew it was unconstitutional, that kind of stuff. >> now we have congress passing laws they haven't read. >> right, and presidents of both parties, legislating by executive order. saying i'm not going to enforce certain laws because i don't like them. we have bureaucrats legislating through regulations. we have supreme courts saying it's constitutional for the government to take your property and sell it to someone else because he can give us more tax revenue, a lot of examples. >> steve? >> well, yes, you can always find parallels, but the fact that we're meeting, i think, shows that the antidote is coming about. we the people have not gone the way and been totally corrupted the way the romans were. we're not passive. we saw it with the tea party, and despite irs suppression, the tea party movement is coming back again. you're going to see it in 2